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DrSLUGFly · May 25, 2005, 03:49 PM // 15:49

/shrug...

this emote is needed in game, really. And I think that they didn't foresee the abuse coming out of Casinos. The ban is no doubt a temporary solution since they recognize that this is something people enjoy (if nobody enjoyed it there would have nobody taking part to get scammed)

Lim-Dul · May 25, 2005, 03:50 PM // 15:50

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I for one am against, "Punishing the many, to stop the few" policy that developers take.

LOL? You just said that casino spammers only make up around 10% of the whole chat spamming. Of what "many" are speaking then? Who is punished by ANet's policy? The players that can't gamble anymore? ;-)

Rothgar · May 25, 2005, 04:17 PM // 16:17

Yes, very much thank you Arena Net. The spam was horrific by itself, but then you add in peple screaming about getting cheated, people telling them to STFU, accomplices say "Ya, I won from XXXX. He can be trusted", etc. it was getting unbearable.

Thank you again,

Rothgar

Loviatar · May 25, 2005, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Originally Posted by Mav

Oh please, what were you scammed out of? Some gold? A couple plat?

If you were scammed, it's cause you fell for it. Plain and simple. Common sense is an ability not everyone has, and its something quite a bit of GW players lack.

the plat may have taken them hours to get in the early part of the game so the lost time could be important to them

the second part shows exactly what kind of a person you basically are

BLAME THE VICTIM FOR FALLING FOR IT

MAYBE IT IS NOT A LACK OF COMMON SENSE BUT AN EXCESS OF TRUST BECAUSE THEY WERE LUCKY NOT TO HAVE MET PEOPLE WITH THAT MINDSET UP TO THEN

Ramus · May 25, 2005, 04:35 PM // 16:35

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Originally Posted by Lim-Dul

LOL? You just said that casino spammers only make up around 10% of the whole chat spamming. Of what "many" are speaking then? Who is punished by ANet's policy? The players that can't gamble anymore? ;-)

Well, you are claiming it is about spam then. Why not fix it so that people can not spam?

You answered your own question, yes, players who can't gamble anymore are punished. If I want to waste my money, I should have the right. I payed for this game too and I should be able to spend what I make how I want.

Lim-Dul · May 25, 2005, 04:41 PM // 16:41

OK - I'll put another way. Gambling is a psychic addiction. It doesn't matter if you're playing for money, in-game gold, beer or little stones - you always LOSE something and you can't let go off it. In the case of GW you mostly lose the time you've spent on playing the game. Gambling is not the way in which GW was meant to be played, so live with the ban. And yes - ANet HAS the right to decide how their game is played.

The money might be virtual, but the addiction is real. It's not very different from selling drugs to people.

Sadye X · May 25, 2005, 04:42 PM // 16:42

I also just want to say a very big thank you to ANet for this. This is the second issue that's been a fairly debated topic on the forums that they've addressed this week, and to that I say they're doing a wonderful job of paying attention to the gaming community as a whole.

Of course there are those people who will continue to argue the side that casinos should be allowed, or at least some form of such. To those people I do suggest actually reading the rules of conduct rather than simply getting upset and flaming, and I'd also encourage them to also consider things from the perspective of doing what's best for the gaming community as a whole. Again, this has been addressed by ANet because it's been detrimental to an enjoyable gaming experience for the vast majority of players.

Goodbye casinos & Good job Anet

Lim-Dul · May 25, 2005, 04:51 PM // 16:51

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I payed for this game too and I should be able to spend what I make how I want.

Hehe - well - you still don't understand, that you haven't BOUGHT the game - you have bought a license to USE the game. ArenaNET is still the owner of EVERYTHING you'll ever come in contact with in GW. I also bought a knife yesterday and a box of matches - nevertheless I somehow doubt that I'm allowed to stab somebody in the back with the knife and burn somebody else's house by using the matches. =)

Your way of thinking leads to a dead end - you have absolutely no right to decide on whatever aspect of GW. Either you live with it, or leave the game. As long as ANet doesn't lose too many players we can happily continue to play it the right way. :-P

P.S. You Americans are funny in your concept of "having a right to sth." - you should have the right to do this, you should have the right to do that and at the same time you censor somebody's mouth (!!!) when he/she says "shit" or "****" and are afraid to show a nipple in any movie lest it would get a rating of like XXX. ;-)

Rothgar · May 25, 2005, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Originally Posted by Lim-Dul

P.S. You Americans are funny in your concept of "having a right to sth." - you should have the right to do this, you should have the right to do that and at the same time you censor somebody's mouth (!!!) when he/she says "shit" or "****" and are afraid to show a nipple in any movie lest it would get a rating of like XXX. ;-)

If your going to let your predjust show, do it on another thread and don't act like a sneek and throw it in a PS. This fourm is getting way to much of this crap tacked on at the end.

And if you want to rant at me Lim, go ahead, but I will not be answering back in this tread since this is very off topic.

Madjik · May 25, 2005, 05:50 PM // 17:50

Sorry Lim~Dul, casinos werent banned because of addiciton, addiction doesnt have anything to do with it. Nor, Sadye X, does the TOS (rules of conduct) say anything about casino's being forbidden.

Once again, casinos were banned because of the scamming. So much of it was going on that A.Net decided it was time to pull the plug, and yes, scamming is against the TOS (or rules of conduct, what have you). So if your upset about this ruling, tell it to the scammers, who have once again, ruined somthing for you. A.net aint the bad guy here, stop looking at them like they are. You might still be happily rolling away today if it werent for all the scamming that went on. In the mean time, you'll just have to wait for a.net to release some kind of casino in game. Lim~Dul is right about one thing, its a.nets game. They make the rules and are the government. If they decide "No gambleing" your stuck with it.

So far, they have not banned gambling, just player run casinos, and the fact that thier considering putting some kind of system in game specifically so that you can gamble should make you happy, start up a thread in the sanitarium somewhere and start posting suggestions, instead of arguing against a desicion thats already been made. Doing this will not only help confirm that you want it, but give them some kind of idea how to implement it. Use your heads folks, your only wasting your breath by getting upset about this, its obvious they would have braced themselves for the impact from the gambling community. A.net wants you to enjoy thier game just like everyone else so get into the sanitarium and start tellin em what kind of in game based gambleing system you want instead of wasting brain cells arguing over piddle.

a_scrawny_gnoll01 · May 25, 2005, 05:54 PM // 17:54

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

the plat may have taken them hours to get in the early part of the game so the lost time could be important to them

the second part shows exactly what kind of a person you basically are

BLAME THE VICTIM FOR FALLING FOR IT

MAYBE IT IS NOT A LACK OF COMMON SENSE BUT AN EXCESS OF TRUST BECAUSE THEY WERE LUCKY NOT TO HAVE MET PEOPLE WITH THAT MINDSET UP TO THEN

Ignorance is not an excuse.

Pathetically enough, trust is a long gone aspect of most (if not all) MMORPG's to date.
So for future reference, do not dump loads of money on someone you do not know. Use common sense, and consider what you are doing. Dont throw that 20p to some 'nice looking guy' because he said he was nice. Do not throw your money at some "casino person", even when 20 people are saying that he is legit. They may be people in on it, or he may feel that your money is worth more to him then it is to you.
^^ notes all caps.
And one more thing, the bleading heart complaint saying that someone trusted a scammer is just plain dumb.
If they were honestly scammed, they care nothing about the money they lost, or the fact that someone scammed them. They are just pissed off because someone "stole" from them, /cough, and they want to fix their ego.
Yes this forum is a little off, and I do agree that the scammers should be thrown in a metal crate and dumped in the middle of a raging snake pit.

<--- no offense meant to anyone. Voicing my opinion, and I do feel that this forum should be closed.

-There are three kinds of people in this world those who can count, and those who can't.

Shandoo Bilari · May 25, 2005, 05:57 PM // 17:57

And at the end of the day Casinos are still banned - /clap

Michael Jozwik · May 25, 2005, 05:58 PM // 17:58

I also applaud this decision, casinos needed to go. Scamming aside the spam created by casinos was obnoxious

gwden · May 25, 2005, 06:01 PM // 18:01

The only thing casinos bring is scammers and spammers.

Loviatar · May 25, 2005, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by a_scrawny_gnoll01

Ignorance is not an excuse.

that is for a criminal who breaks a law

CtrlAltDel · May 25, 2005, 06:14 PM // 18:14

yep funny people are like
'i bought this game i want to do what i want to do'

you just bought the right to play the game by their rules
thats what that little 'i agree' checkbox is for when you install the sucker...AND when you sign up

if you want to be in a casino, ultimatebet.com is calling you...

C-Tzar · May 25, 2005, 06:29 PM // 18:29

No more casino spam? Sweet!

Lim-Dul · May 25, 2005, 06:32 PM // 18:32

OK, Rothgar and Madjik - I'm sorry for throwing in the "American" theme in my post. =)

Nevertheless you're not right in your statement, Madjik.

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Due to the proliferation of casinos and their potential for player abuse, we will be blocking the accounts of those who advertise or operate casinos or other gambling schemes within the game, effective immediately. Players should be aware that casinos are a breach of the Rules of Conduct, as is the advertisement or promotion of cheats, hacks, of exploits. None of these things will be accepted within Guild Wars.

In fact they ARE banning gambling altogether.

Arrow Whisper · May 25, 2005, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Originally Posted by Adaria

Please, don't turn this into an argument already...

So stop paying your monthly subscription...

Madjik · May 25, 2005, 06:45 PM // 18:45

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

We may consider offering an NPC or other in-game system for gambling. Would that make us hypocritical? Of course not! Closing casinos wasn't a statement on casinos or gambling. It was a statement made and a promise kept to maintain a game world free of abuse and the exploitation of other players, to the best of our ability. If a gambling option is added to Guild Wars, it will offer a fair system from which exploitation is precluded. The decision on that is up to the designers, of course, with our thanks for the valuable suggestions and the valid reports offered on this whole subject.

Allow me to re~state Lim~Dul. They are banning player run gambling

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due to the proliferation of casinos and their potential for player abuse

Or rather, because of the potiential to scam.

I was NOT incorrect in saying what I said, just incorrect in how i phrased it. For that I appologize.